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of tax you more, cat your services. what you do did you will pay more for my note that your pension and benefits. tom: how does all this in? we wind up with pitchforks? >> it's happening now. they don't call it class warfare. that is what is going on over there. again, there is no air spring. there's nothing about a pro-democracy ment. r tofew had much too much and way too many head was too little. the people in the street that one piece of the pipe command it's going on around the world. and for some reason people are oblivious to it. look in this country, college graduates, the income is declining eight or 0% since the recession. you can't find a job. 3 percent of them have jobs paying high-school wages. so you're right. it's not getting better, and again, we have the incompence in wasington making things worse. tom: but the numbers, you look at the numbers and you see those numbers, they are inching up a little bit. we are getting a little bit of growth. we have a little better ventilation. we have a little bit of a
of tax you more, cat your services. what you do did you will pay more for my note that your pension and benefits. tom: how does all this in? we wind up with pitchforks? >> it's happening now. they don't call it class warfare. that is what is going on over there. again, there is no air spring. there's nothing about a pro-democracy ment. r tofew had much too much and way too many head was too little. the people in the street that one piece of the pipe command it's going on around the world....
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what are those tax increases? bush tax cuts expire at midnight tomorrow night and you'll wake up the next morning and face a higher tax rate unless congress acts. there's also a possibility of a $108 billion in spending cuts. this is largely the defense department as we talked about and also money that ends up in people's pockets. there's an economic impact. >> i misspoke, i said tuesday at midnight. tomorrow at midnight. >> yes, december 31. >> the money is personal for people. you start to talk about budging a household. for the average family? >> 3500 bucks is the income tax hit. >> above what they're paying. >> and additional 3500 for median income. that goes up dramatically the wealthier you are. tens of thousands of dollars more. you could on the hook for a real hit. >> the argument is the wealthy won't feel it but they won't spend it either. >> that's the point. a lot of those people paying higher taxes own small businesses and will opt not to hire and it will ripple through the economy. >> it hurts when i
what are those tax increases? bush tax cuts expire at midnight tomorrow night and you'll wake up the next morning and face a higher tax rate unless congress acts. there's also a possibility of a $108 billion in spending cuts. this is largely the defense department as we talked about and also money that ends up in people's pockets. there's an economic impact. >> i misspoke, i said tuesday at midnight. tomorrow at midnight. >> yes, december 31. >> the money is personal for...
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that is tax cut over 250, it's a tax increase. senator mcconnell may be trying to move that to $400,000. >> arthel: and then the notion of lowering social security payments is definitely off the table in terms of democrats' side? >> it's clear from senator reid said, they are not going to touch social security. but the president has made clear in discussions with speaker boehner, these entitlement programs will be on the table but only if it's a broader debt deal. republicans have different ideas. they want to see more cuts in spending right now. >> arthel: thank you very much. >> gregg: congress is not only facing a fiscal cliff, it's up a dairy clarify, if you will. the current farm bill is set to expire on new year's day. if an extension of that is not passed, the farm policies would revert to laws back to 1949 and cost of milk, that could skyrocket. back then the government used a formula to calculate dairy prices that is much more expensive than it is today. one option said to be on the table is short term extension that woul
that is tax cut over 250, it's a tax increase. senator mcconnell may be trying to move that to $400,000. >> arthel: and then the notion of lowering social security payments is definitely off the table in terms of democrats' side? >> it's clear from senator reid said, they are not going to touch social security. but the president has made clear in discussions with speaker boehner, these entitlement programs will be on the table but only if it's a broader debt deal. republicans have...
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amt, the alternative minimum tax. a fix so that won't hit 20 million more americans. >> that is exactly right. >> chris: let me focus on the tax rates. that has been the biggest issue in the whole debate. the president wants to extend the tax rates on families making less than $250,000 a year. senator graham is that acceptable or does the threshold for when you start to make the bush tax rates go away does it have to be higher? some people said $400,000 and $500,000. how confident are you that the house which refused to set the mark at a million dollars will pass any tax rate increase? >> if democrats will vote for the deal in the house if they are allowed to vote for whatever the senate passes there will be enough republicans but boehner needs a majority of the republican party. in 2010 we extended all of the tax cuts because the economy was weak. we are not going to extend all of the tax cuts but the economy is weaker. i don't understand the economics but i do understand the politics. the president won. the presiden
amt, the alternative minimum tax. a fix so that won't hit 20 million more americans. >> that is exactly right. >> chris: let me focus on the tax rates. that has been the biggest issue in the whole debate. the president wants to extend the tax rates on families making less than $250,000 a year. senator graham is that acceptable or does the threshold for when you start to make the bush tax rates go away does it have to be higher? some people said $400,000 and $500,000. how confident...
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the vast majority you won't see your income taxes go up. you will see payroll taxes go up because they are not going to address that. but in terms of dealing and remember the whole point of the fiscal cliff was to deal with the debt crisis. in terms of that, nothing will have been accomplished. >> and do you think, chris, that anything can be accomplished with the debt crisis? what do they do once you get past tuesday and wednesday we are still staring down that debt. can washington now or five years from now ever really address that debt do you think? >> i don't know. it is interesting. we had on the panel and i really hope people will watch "fox news sunday." interesting and intelligent conversation between lindsey graham and dianne feinstein. not a lot of talking points, a lot of serious conversation between two patriots. we had on the panel senator evan bayh. >> good to see you, happy new year. >> even under these circumstances good to see you and happy new year to you and everybody out there. >> fascinating and serious conversation as
the vast majority you won't see your income taxes go up. you will see payroll taxes go up because they are not going to address that. but in terms of dealing and remember the whole point of the fiscal cliff was to deal with the debt crisis. in terms of that, nothing will have been accomplished. >> and do you think, chris, that anything can be accomplished with the debt crisis? what do they do once you get past tuesday and wednesday we are still staring down that debt. can washington now...
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analysts say taxes on people making between 50,000 and $75,000 a year will go up an average of $2400. >> whenever we come up -- whatever we come up is going to be imperfect. some people aren't going to like it, some people will like it less but that's where we are. i feel confident that we have an obligation to do the best we can and that was made very clear in the white house. >> reporter: president obama says it's important for congress to vote on some type of package before the fiscal cliff deadline expires. >> if an agreement isn't reached in time between senator reid and senator mcconnell, then i will urge senator reid to bring to the floor a basic package for an upor -- up or down vote, one that protects the middle class from a hike, extends insurance to 2 million americans looking for a job and lays the groundwork for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> the current congress only be in session until january 3rd. after that, 13 new senators and 82 new house members will take over and inherit this huge problem, right out of the congressional gate.
analysts say taxes on people making between 50,000 and $75,000 a year will go up an average of $2400. >> whenever we come up -- whatever we come up is going to be imperfect. some people aren't going to like it, some people will like it less but that's where we are. i feel confident that we have an obligation to do the best we can and that was made very clear in the white house. >> reporter: president obama says it's important for congress to vote on some type of package before the...
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>> tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires. >> . the biggest government waste is -- as we just heard is the war in afghanistan. the cause was to transform afghan society into a replication of the west. a known cause but unattainable. afghanistan is a failure. count let more shattered lives and an immense waste of money and national prestige. okay best government dollar spent, pat? >> the national weather service which like it or not gave us about a week's head start and head start warning that sandy was coming and probably saved thousands of lives when you consider the hurricane in galveston in 1906 killed 6,000 people. >> eleanor? >> obama care. >> susan? >> nasa. mars rover incredible technology. water purification. solar energy and on and on. >> interested in that huh? the moon. clarence? >> the so-called detroit autobail aught. it saved jobs whatever to call it. >> the best government dollar spent the ongoing investment in the iron dome antimissile system by the u.s. and israel. it's setting a standard for reliability that was d
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the alternative minimum tax is one that people talk about. the estate tax. these are all things that would affect average americans and which would hit on january 1st. so the fiscal cliff, it might be even bigger than people realize. don? >> lisa, thank you very much. >>> we've got a lot more planned for you this saturday night. here's what else is ahead. as our lawmakers wrestle with u.s. gun violence, chicago hits an awful milestone. 500 murders this year and counting. what's to blame? a former gang member and chicago's police superintendent join me live. >>> plus, president obama could tap this republican to lead the defense department. but not everyone wants to see a secretary hagel. why some of the loudest voices with coming from his own party. >>> and 2012 is almost history. but what's the takeaway? comedian dean obeidallah schools us with his top ten lessons of 2012. >>> and also good news to tell you about a story we have been reporting on tonight. two missing georgia boys have been found safe in austin, texas. their father, the man who allegedly kid
the alternative minimum tax is one that people talk about. the estate tax. these are all things that would affect average americans and which would hit on january 1st. so the fiscal cliff, it might be even bigger than people realize. don? >> lisa, thank you very much. >>> we've got a lot more planned for you this saturday night. here's what else is ahead. as our lawmakers wrestle with u.s. gun violence, chicago hits an awful milestone. 500 murders this year and counting. what's...
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tax them! there's a real mood afoot in the country with regard to the very rich right now. >> the powerful took hits too. hardest fall from a high place, david petraeus. whose biographer turned out to be writing not so much between the lines as between the sheets. >> whoa! it was so salacious. it was something you'd expect to find, like, in a tabloid on the front page of a tabloid. >> everybody liked him. both sides of the aisle were big fans of david petraeus. but, it just goes to show you that power corrupts and ultimate power gets you laid. >> paula broadwell, she's a very capable, durable human being. she'll emerge from this with a huge book deal and maybe her own talk show. but mrs. petraeus, i just feel terrible for. >> other bad breaks. "newsweek" magazine folds, at least the print edition, going away after almost 80 years. it's all digital, now. hostess beaten down by financial troubles hands pink slips to 18,000 workers and walking papers to its signature products, including twinkies.
tax them! there's a real mood afoot in the country with regard to the very rich right now. >> the powerful took hits too. hardest fall from a high place, david petraeus. whose biographer turned out to be writing not so much between the lines as between the sheets. >> whoa! it was so salacious. it was something you'd expect to find, like, in a tabloid on the front page of a tabloid. >> everybody liked him. both sides of the aisle were big fans of david petraeus. but, it just...
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, it was a payroll or corporate tax -- >> yeah. >> and imposed the carbon tax. now, you think that's not high enough, but it didn't -- for example -- >> well, i think the problem with that is -- and, grover norquist, by the way, he did decide -- well, you know, the thing -- i think what convinces conservatives is the fact that once they are smart enough -- and those who are smart enough to realize we're not making this stuff up, and there are most -- and i think a lot of them are smart enough to realize that, then, they start to think, well, gee, if we let -- if we continue to deny this, we'll reach a point where things happen like super sandys. and then, the government is going to -- that's pearl harbor and the government will take over like the government took over detroit and said, you can't make cars anymore. you're gonna make airplanes and you're not gonna make money. they don't want that to happen, so -- something gonna do about it before -- intervention now -- >> yeah. >> is better than more intervention later, more government -- >> right. >> intervention
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katherine, why was this tax overturned? >> it was overturned because the court said it failed to rec recognize equality before public burden. what this means is it has been applied to individuals rather than households. the court knows this top rate would have applied to a married couple, for example, if one member was in that upper income bracket. well, if it turned just under, then the 75% rate would not apply. in essence, this was thrown out on a technicality. if was a poorly worded law that just didn't pass the constitutional barrier. >> you know, it is kind of confusing. the president actually campaigned on this75% tax. what happened, and will he try to get it reinstated? >> you are quite right. he made this a key platform of his manifesto. he has gone all out on this, and he even dressed up the tax as an act that the way france's rich could help during harsh economic times. he has not backed down and in fact in the last few hours the officials have said the law will be redrafted to conform with the court ruling and wi
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the alternative minimum tax is one that people talk about. the estate tax. these are all things that would affect average americans and which would hit on january 1st. so the fiscal cliff, it might be even bigger than people realize. don? >> lisa, thank you very much. >>> we've got a lot more planned for you this saturday night. here's what else is ahead. as our lawmakers wrestle with u.s. gun violence, chicago hits an awful milestone. 500 murders this year and counting. what's to blame? a former gang member and chicago's police superintendent join me live. >>> plus, president obama could tap this republican to lead the defense department. but not everyone wants to see a secretary hagel. why some of the loudest voices with coming from his own party. >>> and 2012 is almost history. but what's the takeaway? comedian dean obeidallah schools us. >>> and also good news to tell you about a story we have been reporting on tonight. two missing georgia boys have been found safe in austin, texas. their father, the man who allegedly kidnapped them has been taken into c
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taxes on all americans. starting tuesday, the average tax hike will be three to 5% per person. >> let's keep taxes exactly where they are on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. >> reporter: the president campaigned to increase taxes only on families making more than $250,000 per year. almost two weeks ago, the president offered a compromise to raise taxes only on income above 400,000, hoping that might win republican support. >> i have gone at least halfway. >> reporter: the senate is also negotiating an extension of unemployment benefits for some 2 million jobless americans, without a deal those checks will stop next week for this mother of five who has been searching for work since february. >> if congress does not extend the unemployment benefits, then i would be without a home and i really don't know what else we would do. >> reporter: the deal under discussion in the senate right now doesn't even include the biggest part of the fiscal cliff, that 1.2 trillion dollars in mandatory budget cuts, spen
taxes on all americans. starting tuesday, the average tax hike will be three to 5% per person. >> let's keep taxes exactly where they are on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. >> reporter: the president campaigned to increase taxes only on families making more than $250,000 per year. almost two weeks ago, the president offered a compromise to raise taxes only on income above 400,000, hoping that might win republican support. >> i have gone at least halfway. >>...
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should it be a carbon tax, a cat capt. trade legislation? there are now conservative groups who are advancing with free-market branded solutions. the other day, a filler in the conservative booth, came out in support of a carbon tax. [applause] grover norquist chemo for about 16 hours. [laughter] definitely carbon taxes is bubbling up. rush right. and from a surprising source. people on the conservative side of the political spectrum, ultimately, i should not be a bar -- a partisan political issue. the day the sandy hit, i was with many people. >> of is just about to touch on that. fires burned homes with their democrats for republicans. the climate system does not care. hopefully, what we can do as scientists, is checked the risks and then the location details. but that is a whole different ball game. >> my name is carol stone. do you think the mayan calendar this year will have any effect? and what is the effect of the population in the world -- a billion on this issue of carbon -- >> violation? >> that -- there is a number of factors. whe
should it be a carbon tax, a cat capt. trade legislation? there are now conservative groups who are advancing with free-market branded solutions. the other day, a filler in the conservative booth, came out in support of a carbon tax. [applause] grover norquist chemo for about 16 hours. [laughter] definitely carbon taxes is bubbling up. rush right. and from a surprising source. people on the conservative side of the political spectrum, ultimately, i should not be a bar -- a partisan political...
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katherine, why was this tax overturned? >> it was overturned because the court said it failed to rec recognize equality before public burden. what this means is it has been applied to individuals rather than households. the court knows this top rate would have applied to a married couple, for example, if one member was in that upper income bracket. well, if it turned just under, then the 75% rate would not apply. in essence, this was thrown out on a technicality. if was a poorly worded law that just didn't pass the constitutional barrier. >> you know, it is kind of confusing. the president actually campaigned on this75% tax. what happened, and will he try to get it reinstated? >> you are quite right. he made this a key platform of his manifesto. he has gone all out on this, and he even dressed up the tax as an act that the way france's rich could help during harsh economic times. he has not backed down and in fact in the last few hours the officials have said the law will be redrafted to conform with the court ruling and wi
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you start taxing capital gans and dividends, reinstate that and get rid of $10 billion in corporate taxes every year. you're looking it over $300 billion. ." tom: upside-down by trillion closet -- a trillion dollars. not even close to fixing the deficit spending. still adding to the debt under republican and democrat programs >> this kind of class warfare rhetoric is serving a purpose. the reality is the proposed tax increases will fund the federal government for approximately eight days. it might make people feel good and that's a reason to pass it. frankly, i don't hear any politicians talking reality but the fiscal problems facing the country which is democrat or republican. tom: do you have any hope that the blame game can be put aside so they can get some work done? in the private sector these people would be fired. >> absolutely. this is a do nothing congress, the least active in four years when it comes to policy making, and the reason we are here is that the delay decisions for the past two years. i do think that something will happen because if it doesn't the consequences will be
you start taxing capital gans and dividends, reinstate that and get rid of $10 billion in corporate taxes every year. you're looking it over $300 billion. ." tom: upside-down by trillion closet -- a trillion dollars. not even close to fixing the deficit spending. still adding to the debt under republican and democrat programs >> this kind of class warfare rhetoric is serving a purpose. the reality is the proposed tax increases will fund the federal government for approximately eight...
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and don't forget, the payroll tax goes up, too. >> so taking out for social security taxes -- no one is talking about it. that says to me, those are going back up anyway. those are about a thousand in cost -- so let me ask you, there is the actual what will happen on january first? and it doesn't sound like people will have to worry about their taxes, most people. but what about the psychological impact? haven't we already seen it in christmas buying? haven't we already seen it in hiring? wouldn't we continue to see it -- you know, won't consumer confidence take a hit? won't businesses still say i don't know, i don't know what is happening. >> already has, candy, you have seen it in this year's christmas shopping season was lackluster, at best. i talk to businesses who say we're not hiring right now. we're just cancelling a lot of the plans to make new expenditures expenditures expenditure, this is not a good way to run a railroad. and the economy has already taken a hit because of all of this turmoil in washington. and as i said, i think you know look, i'm a republican. but i think
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president of americans for tax reform. norquist's pledge, signed by almost all republicans in congress, forbids signatories from raising taxes ever, under any circumstances. things come to a head in the summer of 2011. republicans demand the government reduce its deficit as a condition for raising the nation's debt ceiling. without a deal, the u.s. would lose its ability to borrow money. both democrats and republicans deploy scorched earth tactics that nearly shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit rating for the first time in history. >>> but in a last minnesota minute compromise, both sides agree to $1 trillion in spending cuts up front, and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special congressional super committee. but a poison pill was attached. if the super committee can't reach a deal, automatic across the board cuts known as the sequester would go into effect, starting january 2013. at the exact moment when those bush tax cuts extended for two years, if you remember, would exp
president of americans for tax reform. norquist's pledge, signed by almost all republicans in congress, forbids signatories from raising taxes ever, under any circumstances. things come to a head in the summer of 2011. republicans demand the government reduce its deficit as a condition for raising the nation's debt ceiling. without a deal, the u.s. would lose its ability to borrow money. both democrats and republicans deploy scorched earth tactics that nearly shut down the government and...
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the idea of sort of flat taxes or national retail sales tax, taxes have long been proposed and talked about. i mean, i think fundamentally, it sounds appealing, but, you know, what you're really talking about is relative to what we do now. you're talking about a much different way of raising -- much more revenue from lower and middle income people and less from the very rich. my sense is that's not where the american people are at. there is this sort of sense that higher income people raising the dollar revenue from them is sort of less harmful than it is from lower income folks. so, i mean, those debates are worth having, but i think when you actually get down to the specifics and play it out, things like a straight flat tax or national retail sales tax don't make a lot of sense. host: we've been talking with joseph rosenberg, a research associate at the tax policy center. if you want to get more information about the work that they do, you can go to our website, taxpolicycenter.org. part of the urban tax policy working center. thank you very much for being on the program. >> it is f
the idea of sort of flat taxes or national retail sales tax, taxes have long been proposed and talked about. i mean, i think fundamentally, it sounds appealing, but, you know, what you're really talking about is relative to what we do now. you're talking about a much different way of raising -- much more revenue from lower and middle income people and less from the very rich. my sense is that's not where the american people are at. there is this sort of sense that higher income people raising...
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people making 40 to $65,000 get a $2,000 tax hike and anyone, would see a $14,000 tax bump. where else would americans see the sting? talk to me about medicare and unemployment benefits. >> this whole metaphor we've been using about a fiscal cliff probably isn't the right one to be used. after all, if you go over a cliff, you usually don't get to live to tell about it unless you're batman or spider-man, but there are things that actually would happen right away and one of those things that would be right away in a negative impact would be unemployment benefits and 2 million americans would see the unemployment benefits and that would hurt the economy and that would hurt these people that are relying on this and the unemployment insurance has been seen as economic stimulus to get hands into the money of people who need it and they were things that actually get spread over the course of 2013 if there is no fix that is actually done and it is possible for congress to go back and fix things and talking about the increase of tax rates and there will also be spending cuts to gover
people making 40 to $65,000 get a $2,000 tax hike and anyone, would see a $14,000 tax bump. where else would americans see the sting? talk to me about medicare and unemployment benefits. >> this whole metaphor we've been using about a fiscal cliff probably isn't the right one to be used. after all, if you go over a cliff, you usually don't get to live to tell about it unless you're batman or spider-man, but there are things that actually would happen right away and one of those things...
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plain language of the law said it wasn't a tax. justice roberts was clearly looking for any rational to uphold the law. he probably believes he was protecting the reputation of the court but in the process he made the court look more political and he hurt his own reputation and ultimately the courts, too. remember if you have own hit or miss, please send it to us at foxnews.com and follow us on twitter at jer at f&c. thanks for watching. happy new year. we hope tosue right here next week. >> jon: on the panel. fox news contributor, judy miller, rich grenell that served for four ambassadors and jim pinkerton and fox news political analyst. juan williams. i'm jon scott. fox news watch is on right now. >> we can now definitively say that president barack obama will be re-elected, mitt romney will come up a loser in this race. >> jon: the billing media story of the year, the presidential election. that was how it ended. barack obama beating mitt romney and an end to a bitter season that started early with the g.o.p. primaries and event
plain language of the law said it wasn't a tax. justice roberts was clearly looking for any rational to uphold the law. he probably believes he was protecting the reputation of the court but in the process he made the court look more political and he hurt his own reputation and ultimately the courts, too. remember if you have own hit or miss, please send it to us at foxnews.com and follow us on twitter at jer at f&c. thanks for watching. happy new year. we hope tosue right here next week....
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the headline, you know, item is tax estimates. tax revenues and where tax rates will increase. what's the threshold. democrats have been saying that they would like tax increases to affect households that make $250,000 and more. they would also insist on extending unemployment benefits. they would like to see -- the president would like a delay in those automatic spending cuts, those massive spending cuts that congress set into motion that should hit beginning in the new year. and then also an increase in the estate tax, which is also planned to hit in the new year. republicans would like, in order to be able to vote for some sort of deal, to limit that threshold and where -- a limit the threshold where the tax increase hits so maybe instead of $250,000 maybe $400,000, a way to avoid that estate tax increase, they would like no delay in those spending cuts, so that they will start to hit in the new year. and they would like democrats to agree to pay for the unemployment benefits. now we don't know if -- which of these items would be in the deal they're working out today, except
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that fica tax break we received the last two years, so, you know, the tax increases inasmuch as you think, but we push these things to crisis because the politicians, the lobbyists every chance to donate to their campaign and that's why everything is a crisis. three out of the last four years we've gone into the new year not knowing what the tax rates are, and i will be particularly disappointed if we get a 12-month patch and get to do it again the end of this year. >> well, you know, we have the spending cuts, we have the tax increases and we also have this debt selling, hit the 16.4 trillion dollar federal debt limit monday, december 31st according to the treasury department, extraordinary measure has to take place, to continue borrowing, how will the markets react to that? >> well, you know, that's another thing that i believe we just want to start getting some fatigue from this news and it being the news event of the day. news events have no long-term impact on stock prices. while they may go down in the short-term, i would use that as a buying opportunity to get your money empl
that fica tax break we received the last two years, so, you know, the tax increases inasmuch as you think, but we push these things to crisis because the politicians, the lobbyists every chance to donate to their campaign and that's why everything is a crisis. three out of the last four years we've gone into the new year not knowing what the tax rates are, and i will be particularly disappointed if we get a 12-month patch and get to do it again the end of this year. >> well, you know, we...
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that's an extra $900 before taxes. currently members of congress make $174,000 a year except for leaders who make a little more. the last time there was a pay raise was 2009. >>> there is one thing the senate has agreed on, getting aid to victims of superstorm sandy. by a 61-33 vote the chamber passed a measure offering $60 billion in help. it heads to the house which must approve the bill by thursday or else the process to consider the money has to start all over again. at least 113 people were killed when superstorm sandy hit in late october. the governors of new york and new jersey, the hardest hit states, have estimated damages at more than $78 billion. >>> and turning to weather. even though winter is just over a week old, millions of americans probably can't wait for spring to arrive. me, as well, yes. scenes like this in maine are playing out all across the country as snow is now on the ground in almost 65% of the lower 48 states. at least everybody's enjoying it together. look at this video from arkansas where
that's an extra $900 before taxes. currently members of congress make $174,000 a year except for leaders who make a little more. the last time there was a pay raise was 2009. >>> there is one thing the senate has agreed on, getting aid to victims of superstorm sandy. by a 61-33 vote the chamber passed a measure offering $60 billion in help. it heads to the house which must approve the bill by thursday or else the process to consider the money has to start all over again. at least 113...
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programs, and thirdly, they want to p protect the wealthiest estates from any changes of the estate tax because they will have to give something on the rates, and they want to push the threathold of the rate increase as high as they could and go back to the $400,000 that they were offered from the president before. >> right. >> and all of that is absolutely true, and also in addition, what we are looking at of course is the poll numbers. when you talked, i thought it was brilliant that you said that we are the cop tes tantntestant the reality when you look at the republican actions in particular, and the republican actions are polling 20% approval and the president is polling 50% approval, but the 20% approval is about the action on the cliff and not how they play in their individual districts. so when you travel around the country, and i have been to e tea party country in arizona, et cetera, there is a huge incentive for some of the more junior members of congress to stand their ground. it doesn't have to do with the fiscal math of the country, but it has to do with the electoral math
programs, and thirdly, they want to p protect the wealthiest estates from any changes of the estate tax because they will have to give something on the rates, and they want to push the threathold of the rate increase as high as they could and go back to the $400,000 that they were offered from the president before. >> right. >> and all of that is absolutely true, and also in addition, what we are looking at of course is the poll numbers. when you talked, i thought it was brilliant...
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a main sticking point is tax increases on the wealthy. while some suggest raising taxes for those who earn a million the president wants increases on anyone making more than $250,000 a year. >> we just can't afford aself inflicted wound to the economy. the economy is growing. keeping it that way means that the folks you sent to washington have to do their jobs. >> in the weekly address they say congress must meet the deadline and pass a balanced plan that offers middle class tax cuts and reduces spending in a responsible manner. >> the president's proposal to raise taxes on the top 2% of americans won't pay a third of the yearly interest that's owed on this massive 16 trillon dollar debt. >> missouri senator roy blunt gave the gop weekly address. he said the president's tax hike would only fund the government for eight days. >> if no deal is reached here is a look at what could happen. 1.2million out of work americans will loose their extended unemployment benefits. california would be hit the hardest. 400,000 will loose those benefits an
a main sticking point is tax increases on the wealthy. while some suggest raising taxes for those who earn a million the president wants increases on anyone making more than $250,000 a year. >> we just can't afford aself inflicted wound to the economy. the economy is growing. keeping it that way means that the folks you sent to washington have to do their jobs. >> in the weekly address they say congress must meet the deadline and pass a balanced plan that offers middle class tax...
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nearly every american will see a tax increase. and unemployment benefits will expire for millions. >> ordinary people do their jobs and meet deadlines. they sit down and they discuss things and things happen. if there are disagreements there will sort through the disagreements. the notion that our elected leadership cannot do the same thing is mind-boggling. it needs to stop! >> we'll be right back here on the kron four morning news. [ female announcer ] this is a special message from at&t. [ male announcer ] it's no secret that the price of things just keeps going up. [ female announcer ] but we have some good news. it's our bundle price promise. [ male announcer ] a price you can definitely count on, for two whole years. from at&t. [ female announcer ] a great price for a great triple-play bundle. [ male announcer ] call now. bundles with u-verse tv, internet and home phone start at $89 a month. now get the same great price for two years. [ female announcer ] switch today and get a total home dvr included, free for life. [ male
nearly every american will see a tax increase. and unemployment benefits will expire for millions. >> ordinary people do their jobs and meet deadlines. they sit down and they discuss things and things happen. if there are disagreements there will sort through the disagreements. the notion that our elected leadership cannot do the same thing is mind-boggling. it needs to stop! >> we'll be right back here on the kron four morning news. [ female announcer ] this is a special message...
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tacking them, taxing carbon would help give cues to drive investment into clean energy. another way -- >> they are very skeptical about clean energy. you also have to realize it's a terrible investment for the past decade. this is not an easy problem. >> one of the problems is lack of markets. the government could do a lot to fix that by consuming clean energy and vehicles. the federal government is in the u.s. is the single largest consumer of clean energy. if you add state and federal spending, if you look at the percentage of the gdp, the public sector, it's over 1%. >> and what helps is lots of natural gas in the united states. so there's even an alignment with what i think are going to be the economic interests. >> so the problem is that will probably make the unemployment problem worse and that lowers the return to investing in a heavy industry, that lowers the average real interest rate and the problem that they face is that the real interest rate is negative and that makes it difficult for us to achieve full employment. so you're making that problem harder by tax
tacking them, taxing carbon would help give cues to drive investment into clean energy. another way -- >> they are very skeptical about clean energy. you also have to realize it's a terrible investment for the past decade. this is not an easy problem. >> one of the problems is lack of markets. the government could do a lot to fix that by consuming clean energy and vehicles. the federal government is in the u.s. is the single largest consumer of clean energy. if you add state and...
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he says the least congress can do is protect most american tax pairs from rising tax rates due to take effect in the next couple of days. the least, it appears, rebecca, appears to be the most they can do. >> thank you. we'll check back later in the program. for more on how we got into this situation and what happens if nothing happens. michael santoly, it's great to have both of you with us. where does this stand right now? >> right now they're negotiating and things are being worked out behind closed doors by the top leaders in the house and senate and the white house, but particularly on the senate side right now and the question is can the senate leaders get together and come up with a plan that can pass through the senate that will at least give us a band-aid to prevent all these fiscal cliff measures from kicking in. but then after that can it pass the house of representatives and will speaker john boehner be able to find a way to get it through that might require actually mostly democratic votes which will leave republicans very unhappy with him. you'll have a couple of needles
he says the least congress can do is protect most american tax pairs from rising tax rates due to take effect in the next couple of days. the least, it appears, rebecca, appears to be the most they can do. >> thank you. we'll check back later in the program. for more on how we got into this situation and what happens if nothing happens. michael santoly, it's great to have both of you with us. where does this stand right now? >> right now they're negotiating and things are being...
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did anybody think about the ramifications like these tax cuts, these tax cuts and all this spending going on? >> well, i think that the question is, you know, how do we pay for the tax cuts. and i think there are reasonable ways to do so. it just seems that our friends on capitol hill on both sides of the aisle have a difficulty in, you know, making necessary -- making necessary spending reductions to enable progrowth policies to persist. and that's an unfortunate thing. yeah, look, this was -- i heard a previous guest say this was a deal with the devil because it, you know, because it -- you got tax cuts now for ten years and a date certain for when they would go away. that's true, but we thought we were dealing with adult policy makers in washington and we thought that people would do the right thing with respect to fiscal policy. look, we wouldn't be in this circumstance, you know, president obama actually extended these tax cuts with the intent that washington would take a more reasonable look at how we can phase in fiscal policy in a way that wouldn't do damage to the overall economy
did anybody think about the ramifications like these tax cuts, these tax cuts and all this spending going on? >> well, i think that the question is, you know, how do we pay for the tax cuts. and i think there are reasonable ways to do so. it just seems that our friends on capitol hill on both sides of the aisle have a difficulty in, you know, making necessary -- making necessary spending reductions to enable progrowth policies to persist. and that's an unfortunate thing. yeah, look, this...
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the idea of sort of flat taxes or national retail sales tax, taxes have long been proposed and talked about. i mean, i think fundamentally, it sounds appealing, but, you know, what you're really talking about is relative to what we do now. you're talking about a much different way of raising -- much more revenue from lower and middle income people and less from the very rich. my sense is that's not where the american people are at. there is this sort of sense that higher income people raising the dollar revenue from them is sort of less harmful than it is from lower income folks. so, i mean, those debates are worth having, but i think when you actually get down to the specifics and play it out, things like a straight flat tax or national retail sales tax don't make a lot of sense. host: we've been talking with joseph rosenberg, a research associate at the tax policy center. if you want to get more information about the work that they do, you can go to our website, taxpolicycenter.org. part of the urban tax policy working center. thank you very much for being on the program. guest: tha
the idea of sort of flat taxes or national retail sales tax, taxes have long been proposed and talked about. i mean, i think fundamentally, it sounds appealing, but, you know, what you're really talking about is relative to what we do now. you're talking about a much different way of raising -- much more revenue from lower and middle income people and less from the very rich. my sense is that's not where the american people are at. there is this sort of sense that higher income people raising...
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this will apply to taxes in 2012. it's one that's actually looking back a little bit and what's going to happen is you're going to see 30 million more americans be subjected to this tax that weren't before. in addition to that, we're also looking at the expiration of the payroll tax holiday. what that could mean is on the 1st of the year, the first paycheck that americans receive, it's going to be 2%, there's going to be 2% of taxes that will be higher in that paycheck. so less money coming than was before. last but not least, i want to highlight the earned income tax credit and also the child tax credit. those are two that help the low income and middle-class earners. those are going to go down in we go over the cliff. >> a lot of people are focused on those. when you talk about the first faycheck that we could see -- paycheck that we could see, give us a sense -- you've broken it down to different income levels. the first if you make $50,000. >> absolutely. we want to look by the numbers. that's how americans can re
this will apply to taxes in 2012. it's one that's actually looking back a little bit and what's going to happen is you're going to see 30 million more americans be subjected to this tax that weren't before. in addition to that, we're also looking at the expiration of the payroll tax holiday. what that could mean is on the 1st of the year, the first paycheck that americans receive, it's going to be 2%, there's going to be 2% of taxes that will be higher in that paycheck. so less money coming...
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they're trying to avoid a tax hike on all americans as well as deep spending cuts, but the president said the american people are growing tired of what seems to be never ending gridlock and partisan bickering. >> the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. not right now. the economy is growing, but sustaining that trend is going to require elected officials to do their jobs. >> right now the plan is to come to an agreement then send it to the senate for a vote. house would then take a vote, which could take place as late as january 2nd. the president will sit down for an exclusive one on one interview with "meet the press" moderator david gregory. they will discuss the fiscal cliff and other key issues. you can see it here tomorrow at 10:30. >>> we're a little more than 36 hours away from the biggest game of the season for the redskins. the burgundy and gold face off against the cowboys tomorrow night. it's simple. win and you take the nfc east crown. even though we're in redskins country, there are sure to be some div
they're trying to avoid a tax hike on all americans as well as deep spending cuts, but the president said the american people are growing tired of what seems to be never ending gridlock and partisan bickering. >> the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. not right now. the economy is growing, but sustaining that trend is going to require elected officials to do their jobs. >> right now the plan is to come to an...
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estate taxes. >> juliet: yeah. >> there are payroll tax issues. there's a whole host of alternative minimum tax that are important to small business owners. i have a lot of family business owners where the estate tax is very important to them. >> juliet: all right. bob russell, we appreciate you joining us today. it's obviously something that we all will be watching intently here at fox news channel. happy new year. all righty, coming up from the ice ages, punishment f, and banning bibles, the culture wars making news in 2012. we'll be right back. ♪ bye-bye miss american pie ♪ ♪ drove my chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry ♪ ♪ you lose through diet and exercise, alli can help you lose one more by blocking some of the fat you eat. let's fight fat with alli. ♪ >> and welcome back. as 2012 comes to a close, let's take a look at part two of some of the most important culture stories, clicked on the most on foxnews.com. >> dave: and fox radio correspondent here with a recap. todd, we remember the ice ages, essentially punished for doi
estate taxes. >> juliet: yeah. >> there are payroll tax issues. there's a whole host of alternative minimum tax that are important to small business owners. i have a lot of family business owners where the estate tax is very important to them. >> juliet: all right. bob russell, we appreciate you joining us today. it's obviously something that we all will be watching intently here at fox news channel. happy new year. all righty, coming up from the ice ages, punishment f, and...
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many worry about the tax increases that could kick in. and they are angry we are four days a out with no deal. >> it is ridiculous. this is a necessary. >> while the republican senate minority leader is staying positive the democratic senate majority leader warns -- >> whatever we come up with is going to be imperfect and some people are not going to like it. >> the president says if a big deal cannot be reached, he wants at least a smaller deal to keep middle-class taxes from going up and to extend unemployment benefits. >> at this point, i just hope they get something done. >> click on need to come together and come to an agreement. both sides are at fault. >> reitman, this is the plan for the weekend. the senate plans to go into recess tomorrow so staff members can work on a deal. on sunday, the senate and possibly the house will reconvene and maybe vote on the bill either that day or on monday. the deadline is basically monday night at midnight, when we go over into the new year. ups said the capital, abc 7 news. -- outside the capita
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our guest is with the tax policy center. ball by a look at presidential campaigning and the influence of the electoral college with author of the rise of the president permanent campaign. later, an update on hurricane sandy release still making its way through congress. we are a dime by dan faymann. live at seven easton on c-span. >> next, an engineer and entrepreneur in the aerospace community, contrasts today's space program to the pioneering days of space -- space exploration days ago and talked about the history of manned space flight. he designed spaceship one that completed the first manned private space flight in 2004. the voyager aircraft in 1986 became the first airplane to fly nonstop around the world without refueling. this is about an hour and a half. >> i am going to talk about meanly two things. there is inspiration. inspiration for our kids so they can be innovative. and i am going to talk a lot about manned space flight. we are on the space coast, i guess, right? we will talk quite a bit about the history of
our guest is with the tax policy center. ball by a look at presidential campaigning and the influence of the electoral college with author of the rise of the president permanent campaign. later, an update on hurricane sandy release still making its way through congress. we are a dime by dan faymann. live at seven easton on c-span. >> next, an engineer and entrepreneur in the aerospace community, contrasts today's space program to the pioneering days of space -- space exploration days ago...
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you know, only half the people in the country paid taxes. every one of those people pay taxes. they would not have been there. that relieves the burden on all the other taxpayers. the government job burdens the other taxpayers. to me, that kind of struck me as something as a significant personal accomplishment. i never realized or even thought about that until after i retired. ok, let me find the clicker and we will get going. let's try the button. ok. we are going to talk about manned space flight. the first flight we are going to talk about is that wonderful first nine years, at eight years really. this chart shows every one of the launch systems developed in the world during that short time. there are nine launch systems designed and flown during that time. vostok, the red stone, the atlas, the x-15, then gemini, the titan system, the russian soyuz. somebody told me they could not lift it, but if it was in the gas, it could lift it. that is probably not true. [laughter] interesting thing -- seven of these nine were done by nasa. and every one of the seven were flown without
you know, only half the people in the country paid taxes. every one of those people pay taxes. they would not have been there. that relieves the burden on all the other taxpayers. the government job burdens the other taxpayers. to me, that kind of struck me as something as a significant personal accomplishment. i never realized or even thought about that until after i retired. ok, let me find the clicker and we will get going. let's try the button. ok. we are going to talk about manned space...
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in the past record lows speaks ill of this congress are not imposing new regulations are increasing taxes. that's one way of looking at it. the way most people look at it i tested two bytes record of popularity approval rating is that this is a congress that has been defined by dysfunction in gridlock, a congress in which half a loaf has never been better than none. there were compromises really seem to be a foreign policy, naming a policy for him to the world's great deliberative body. >> you actually think that people are granted 2010 it got elected or the people ran before and it now ascended to positions of leadership believes that go with a solution or they were like that to not do things i supposed to do things? >> well, again, from a class of 2010 and our effort to the the 87 freshman, the so-called tea party class of the 112 congress, their belief is they are doing precisely what the people who elected them did, which is rolled back obama initiatives, cut spending. a lot that the debt ceiling should not be increased under a circumstances where they feel like i was a failure. but t
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they want to raise taxes on somebody. so is there any possibility that either side will budge on those two issues? >> we'll have to wait and see what happens. the president, as funny as it sounds, at the end of the press conference came out and said if the senate can't get this done, let's do the bare minimum, my plan and let's raise taxes on $250,000 and do that if you can't reach some other agreement. it's absurd on this. >> if there were real entitlement reform -- >> and there were real entitlement reform, would you be willing to raise taxes on anybody just so the democrats could save face and say they got a deal? >> it would have to be some pretty serious entitlement. >> like what? like what? >> we'll have to wait and see how that comes out. >> see, that's the problem? >> let's take the basics. you have food stamp issues with a lot of food stamp fraud that's out there and you have people certified to get food stamps and i don't have an issue with someone who has an actual need and qualifies for it. i have a real issue
they want to raise taxes on somebody. so is there any possibility that either side will budge on those two issues? >> we'll have to wait and see what happens. the president, as funny as it sounds, at the end of the press conference came out and said if the senate can't get this done, let's do the bare minimum, my plan and let's raise taxes on $250,000 and do that if you can't reach some other agreement. it's absurd on this. >> if there were real entitlement reform -- >> and...
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we stand right now at three days and counting until that new year's deadline when taxes would go up for all u.s. taxpayers and steep spending cuts would kick in across the board. nicole collins has the latest. >> reporter: john boehner back in washington immediately heading to the white house, which brought the president and congressional leaders together the first time since november, but it's unclear if it brought the country closer to avoiding the fiscal cliff. >> when the president calls congressional leaders to the white house, it's all political theatre or they have a deal. not that it's all political theatre. >> this is not for show but a last-ditch effort by the president to bring congressional leader together to try to get a small package at least, a small deal together before the new year. >> reporter: the president called the meeting as lawmakers pointed fingers in this high- stakes game of chicken. >> the republicans who are holding hostage the middle class in america society wealthy don't have to pay their fair share. >> we need two words: presidential leadership on not jus
we stand right now at three days and counting until that new year's deadline when taxes would go up for all u.s. taxpayers and steep spending cuts would kick in across the board. nicole collins has the latest. >> reporter: john boehner back in washington immediately heading to the white house, which brought the president and congressional leaders together the first time since november, but it's unclear if it brought the country closer to avoiding the fiscal cliff. >> when the...